I think I found something more pathetic than Clintonites who blame Bernie Sanders for her loss; Blairites who refuse to admit that Labour is having a good night.

Stay sane out there.



  1. Also: Clintonites who don’t want to admit Labour is having a good night (“they still lost! Would you be happy if the Dems lost with 3%?”) because they still have a grudge against Bernie Sanders.


  2. Corbyn had a great night. I’m excessively relieved that his long standing poll numbers before the election weren’t predictive. Figuring out exactly what happened and how to get from where we are to power is challenging. Theresa May deserves a lot of credit as well 🙂

    There’s some potential useful points to compare, carefully, with US politics. I think both Sanders and Corbyn show that pretty left (considerably more left that has been standard) people and policies are not electoral poison. Getting young people to turn out is possible, but there are limits to what that can do. We apparently missed some pickups because we didn’t target them…which goes back to whether compete everywhere or compete harder in targeted areas is better.

    I’m still waiting on the cross tabs for traditional Labour voters. Labour did poorly in Scotland (while the conservatives did incredibl well). The progressive parties are still a fair bit off a majority of seats, even with the lib dems.

    I didn’t see many people (or “blairites”) saying that Corbyn didn’t have a good night…the party is lining up, even the most centrist and canonically Blairite. It’s worth remembering that Corbyn did perform in the same space as the last two Labor leaders (bit better, but Brown was going for a fourth term and Miliabend was facing a strong Cameron and a populace still believing in austerity).

    Now success may breed success. I hope so. I’m still mad at Corbyn about Brexit (madder even since this campaign showed that he *can* campaign) and probably always will be. But needs must. And getting the Tories out is a big need.


    • To be fair, the pollsters themselves seem cognizant that they have a problem.

      I have a number of points of objection to Corbyn. But as you say, those can wait. It is more important that the Tories lose. The thing is, I feel that way a bit about the internet-party struggle as well. Better Corbyn than the best of the austerity Labourites. The party needs to shift. To be shifted.


  3. Oh, the corrective to the useful corrective (i.e., that we didn’t win power even with the good night and figuring out he route to power isn’t obvious…getting a bit better but still in the ballpark of our other losses doesn’t mean the last leg will be easy!) is that this was a battle, not the war.

    UK elections, even with the fixed term act, aren’t fixed. So unlike the US…where there is a period of power after the election…we could have another election real soon. With a hung parliament it’s even more likely.

    So May handed us a dagger, and Corbyn struck. She (and the Tories) may not be dead *yet*, but they are still bleeding.

    It’s good to remember that we’re not there yet, but it’s just wrong to characterise it as a simple loss. For the *left* it’s a big victory (i.e., showing that left politics aren’t poison), but for *Labour* it’s “just” a good step.

    (Of course, May would never have called the election on a “normal” Labour leader.)


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